Monday, 31 August 2020

Kuih Muih

The Game


Kuih Muih is a Malaysian design by Mike Ooi, with a theme of traditional Malaysian snack food. The game shares similarities with Sushi Go Party, but there are some differences in the core mechanism. It is a light game, featuring card drafting and set collection. 

A game is played over 3 rounds. Every round you collect cards and score them at the end of the round. Some cards are kept and scored only at game end. There are 14 card types that come in the box, and only 8 are used in any one game. So you have some variability. When a round starts, you shuffle the deck and deal out a number of card stacks. The number of stacks is player count plus 2. In a four player game, you'll deal out 6 decks of 7 cards each. Leftover cards are temporarily set aside. You'll use them again next round when all cards are reshuffled. 


The card drafting is simple. Players take turns choosing one stack. Once everyone has a stack, he selects a card from it and places it face-down before him. Cards not selected are returned to their original positions at the centre of the table. All selected cards are revealed at the same time. If there is any card with a special power, it is resolved immediately. This card drafting repeats, with players taking turns being the start player. Players collect cards and try to maximise the point values of their card sets.  

This is a game in progress. Players lay out their cards based on types. 

Once any stack at the middle of the table runs out, the round ends, and you do scoring. Throughout a round, the cards dwindle and you have fewer and fewer options. You need to remember cards you have seen, so that if there are cards you want, you know where to look for them. Hopefully they have not yet been taken by your opponents. Memory is a big element in this game. 


On average a card is worth 2.5 to 3 victory points. To decide whether a card is worth it, 3VP is a good rule of thumb. In this photo above, the pulut seri muka on the left is 3VP each, which is a good deal. However it is a risky card. If there is another player picking this card on the same turn, you all discard your cards, i.e. you have just wasted one turn. 


Let's look at some of the cards more closely. Card types are represented by the small icons at the bottom right. The circle cards and the star cards are permanent cards. You use them every game. The circle cards (top left) have point values directly written on them. They are the most straight-forward. The star cards (bottom left) score points based on who has more ondeh ondeh (the green balls). Whoever has most scores 6VP. Second most scores 4VP. Everyone else loses 2VP. In the case of ties, all tied players score points. This creates interesting situations. Let's say there are four players. Two of them have three ondeh ondeh, and two of them have none. The two leading players would score 6VP, and the trailing two would score 4VP, despite having spent no effort at all on ondeh ondeh. Technically these trailing players are in second place. Now, if one of the leading players decides to get one more ondeh ondeh, he will become the lone leading player, and still score 6VP. The player with three ondeh ondeh will become second placed, scoring 4VP (2VP fewer). The trailing players will fall to third place and lose 2VP (a 6VP difference!). Let's look at another possibility. If one of the two trailing players decides to get one ondeh ondeh, he will become the lone second placed player. He still scores 4VP, but he will force the other trailing player with no onder ondeh into third place, going from 4VP to -2VP. Are these two trailing players going to sabotage each other? Or will one of the leading players sabotage them? This is the kind of scenario people discuss in game theory

There are two types of triangle cards, and only one type will be used in a game. Triangle cards are scored only at game end. If you claim any triangle card in Round 1 or 2, keep them and set them aside to wait for game end scoring. 


There are six types of square cards, and you only use three in any game. The prettiest is the kuih lapis. There are four varieties. The more you claim, the more you score. There are only two cards per variety, so it is not easy to collect all four. The pulut tai tai (bottom left) is a weird one. If you collect more than two, they are worth nothing. Who would be stupid enough to collect a third card? One possibility I can think of is when a stack has only one card left, a pulut tai tai card, and the player picking the stack doesn't know or has forgotten it is a pulut tai tai. Another possibility is the card was designed this way to create a specific type of competition for it. Players who decide to go for it will only want two of them and no more, so these cards will be easier to collect. 6VP for two cards is not a bad deal. If anyone already having two cards still claims more to deny you your second card, you must have wronged him severely in the past. Please sit down and have a heart-to-heart talk. 


In every game you use two heart cards. These are all special power cards. The most feared is the third one - the karipap (curry puff), which you can use to swap with another player's card. This is the only attack card in the game. It can break an opponent's collection, at the cost of giving him 2VP. The fourth card, kuih bahulu, is a lucrative 4VP, but it only scores if you have the most colours in your play area. 

The rule book recommends some combinations of card types to use. Once you are familiar with the cards, you can customise the game to your liking. 

The Play

So far I have played three games, all with four players (my family), and I have tried all card types. This is a game which plays quickly once you get familiar with the game. That takes just half a game. Since there is a memory element, you will find that you need to be quite focused. Everyone is absorbed. One confusion we often had was whose turn it was to be start player. Eventually we used a large yellow coin as a start player marker. The marker was passed clockwise at the start of a turn, to help us remember who the start player should be. 

The children loved going for the triangle cards, those which scored at game end. After a while I decided not to fight for these. It is risky to fight for something many others are going for. You may end up scoring little, or scoring nothing at all. 

We all dreaded the karipap (curry puff), because it was destructive. It is the only attack card in the game, but if the copy card is in play too, the karipap can be copied by the copy card, resulting in more attacks. The tricky thing about the karipap is if you take it too early, there may not any opponent card worth attacking. You'd be doing it only to protect yourself from a possible future attack. You score 2VP for it, which is below par. However if you hold off taking a karipap card, later someone else may take it before you do, and use it on you. Aaah... decisions.

The children negotiated a non-aggression pact, and agreed to only attack Michelle and I. Sometimes they even helped each other by hinting at which stack contained cards the other needed. It was all in good fun so we didn't stop them. As a father I'm happy to see my daughters being close. 

Paying attention to who is start player is important. Let's say you know you'll be start player next turn. If the stack you have picked this turn contains two cards which would go well together, like tepung pelita (1 card = -3VP, 2 cards = 7VP), you can safely take one of the cards. Next turn you'll be first to choose a stack, so you'll be able to take that second card you need.

The memory element may sound a little tiresome. If you really hate it then it will be a turn off. I don't try to memorise the cards I see. I am happy with just having a rough idea which stacks are good and which are less useful. Sometimes I try to remember specific cards, e.g. where the karipaps are. That's sufficient for me to enjoy the game. 

It is a must to watch what your opponents are collecting. You need to know who are competing with you. Player interaction is high. 

We didn't use pen and paper to keep score. We used our own poker chips. 

The artwork is of the cute style. 

The Thoughts

Kuih Muih is easy to learn and fast to play. It is a casual game, the type very suitable for boardgame cafes and gatherings. There is plenty of player interaction and it keeps players engaged. 

When Mike passed a copy of the game to me for review, he asked me an interesting question. Mike is publishing his own game. Kuih Muih is his second game. The first one was Math Genius (2018). He finds that starting a boardgame business as a one man show is not easy. Designing a game takes a long time. It requires much playtesting and fine-tuning. He asked me what I thought about using a published game as a blueprint to design a game, giving it a different theme and new artwork. My understanding is game mechanisms can't be copyrighted. So anyone can do this without worrying about legal issues. However, setting legality aside, what people think about ethics may not be so straight-forward. In the past there was a debate on Bang and Legends of the Three Kingdoms (三国杀). The latter was clearly based on the former. There was a court case, but eventually it was dismissed in 2016. Many boardgame hobbyists felt it was wrong for Legends of the Three Kingdoms to have copied Bang. What if the designer had acknowledged that he was inspired by Bang. Would that have been sufficient for us? Or would the designer need to share profits with the original designer and publisher? There were people who felt Legends of the Three Kingdoms was much more than the original Bang, and since no laws were broken, the whole incident was unnecessary.  

I mentioned above that Kuih Muih is similar to Sushi Go Party. Indeed some cards worked in the exact same way. However the core card drafting mechanism is different. Sushi Go Party uses the same mechanism as 7 Wonders. Kuih Muih's mechanism is slightly more complex, has a bigger memory element, and gives players more control. The themes are different. One is based on Japanese food, and the other Malaysian delicacies. 

My opinion is if a game is mostly inspired by or based on another, then it should be acknowledged. Not for legal reasons. Just as a sign of respect and gratitude to the earlier game. As a boardgame hobbyist, if I know that two games are very similar, once I have tried one, I likely won't bother with the other. There are too many good games out there. I'd rather spend my time trying something different. Now that I've played Kuih Muih, I likely won't try Sushi Go Party. Not because I prefer the local flavour (I do like Japanese food), but because time is precious. 

Kuih Muih is a good souvenir for friends from overseas, because it features Malaysian food. Unfortunately, with the COVID-19 pandemic still around, there is little chance of overseas friends visiting. For those interested to support this local game, you can buy it straight from Mike at Shopee.

12 comments:

Aik Yong said...

hmmm interesting. I do love to support home-grown talent. At the same time, people also like humility and graciousness. It is not a sign of weakness to acknowledge influences if it is not an outright copy. People may actively dislike a product if they felt they were being lied to or cheated upon.

soon yuan said...

thanks for the detail write up. i just bought this local designed game yesterday (Saturday) from Kinokuniya.

bit confused on the role of the main menu chosen and main decks, at step 1 to 3 in the user guides.

have been studied for 2 days till now, my son is so keen to start to play. need your help to shed some lights on these ... terima kasih

Hiew Chok Sien 邱卓成 said...

Hi Soon Yuan, I assume you are referring to the SETUP section of the rule book. For any game you play, you will only need a subset of cards and not all the cards that come with the game. You need to pick which card types you want to put into your card deck and shuffle before you start a game.

You must always use the circle cards (the pisang related ones) and the star cards (the ondeh ondeh). You use only one of the triangle cards, so you must choose between putu piring or apam balik. Add either all putu piring cards or all apam balik cards to your deck. You apply the same for the other card types. You must only have 2 types of heart type cards. There are 4 heart type cards, so out of 4 types you must pick 2 only to use for your game.

In the rulebook, the Menus A, B and C are just recommended ways to play. I do suggest you start with them. Once you are more familiar with the game, you can customise according to how you like to play. Let's say you want to start with Menu A. You form your deck of cards using cards with those icons in Menu A.

Hope this helps. Let me know if any part is not clear, or if you have other questions.

soon yuan said...

hi Mr Hiew, yup, am referring to the SETUP part on the book.
good explanation. will start a game with my kids sooner, will revert soonest if it works out ...cheers and thank you!

Hiew Chok Sien 邱卓成 said...

Have fun!

soon yuan said...

Hi Chok Sien, i am setting up the game, should i understand correctly on your explanation, i did the following:

Referring to step 2 in SETUP section. i chosen Menu A. According to your explanation above, i picked up ALL round type cards, ALL stars type cards, ALL triangle card (putu piring only), ALL of heart type cards (kuih kapit and karipap only) , lastly ALL of square type cards (kuih bingka, pulut tai tai and kueh keria only).

So i have total of 42 cards in my main deck, is this correct ?

Next, i go to step 3 in the section.

After shuffling the main deck in step 2 above, i dealt 7 cards face down to become a deck. And i have two players now, therefore i need to have 4 deck in total. So thee are a total 28 cards in play.

i have 42 cards in hand as per Step 2, so 42-28=14. Remaining 14 cards in the Unused deck.

and there are 108-42 = 66 cards that is not in play at all.

am i right ?

i was confused with the step 2 main menu that shown 8 cards (with that 8 shapes). how does this correlate with step 3 that tell the Total Cards In Play based on number of players.

thank you.

Hiew Chok Sien 邱卓成 said...

You should have 66 cards in your main deck, not 42.

If you use Menu A, you should have 12 x pisang related cards (circle), 12 x ondeh ondeh cards (star), 12 x putu piring (triangle), 3 x kuih bahulu (heart), 3 x karipap (heart), 8 x kuih bingka (square), 8 x pulut tai tai (square), 8 x kuih keria (square). Total should be 66.

You shuffle all these, then at the start of a round, create 4 decks of 7 cards each (because 2 players). So for each round, 28 cards are in play, 66 - 28 = 38 cards temporarily not in play (in the unused deck), 108 - 66 = 42 cards fully not in play. When a round ends, you shuffle together all cards which are in play (except for any triangle cards which are kept for game end scoring).

Your steps above are mostly correct. Only a few minor mistakes.

In Step 3 of the rulebook, the "in play" cards are only the total of cards in the decks you create for the round. Don't confuse that with the cards actually being used for that particular game you are playing. When you assemble cards following the menus or picking them yourself, the deck is always 66 cards.

ibnu sina inamza said...

Hi Mr Chok Sien,

I bought this card game because it is too kiut-miut. No punt intended. LOL.

Got few questions for clarifications. Do hope you can answer these. Thank you in advance.

1. Is Onde-onde's penalty of -2VP is applicable for the 3rd placing or more for ONLY those collecting it? In rules book, it does not specifically mention about Players not collecting it, unlike Apam Balik card.

2. Can Karipap be copied by Kuih Ketayap after it being played against you during next turn?

3. Can Karipap be hold first and used at next turn?

4. If I have the most background colours and have more than 1 Bahulu card, how the score will be? 4 x No of Bahulu cards?

5. If in 1st and 2nd rounds, the Players used all Kuih Ketayap card to copy Putu Piring or Apam Balik, therefore the Kuih Ketayap cards cannot be used in next round right? Both Kuih Ketayap and Putu Piring/Apam Balik will be kept by the Players right?

6. Following the above scenario and played by 6 Players, lets say all the Kuih Ketayap (3) and Putu Piring/Apam Balik (12) cards have been collected the Players in earlier round. In the next round, total playable cards will be only 51 (66-12-3) cards only with no unused card deck.

7. In similar scenario as above, how Kuih Kapit to be used if unused card deck is unavailable?

Again, thank you in advance for answering these questions!

Hiew Chok Sien 邱卓成 said...

Good questions. I will try to answer the best I can. Note that my understanding may not be 100% correct. If you want the absolute correct answer, you may want to contact the designer Mike Ooi. Below are my interpretations of the rules.

1. Is Onde-onde's penalty of -2VP is applicable for the 3rd placing or more for ONLY those collecting it? In rules book, it does not specifically mention about Players not collecting it, unlike Apam Balik card.

A: The rulebook is not explicit in mentioning this, but the way I play is if you do not collect ondeh ondeh, you are also ranked and you may lose points.

2. Can Karipap be copied by Kuih Ketayap after it being played against you during next turn?

A: The rules are not explicit on this. We did not play this way though.

3. Can Karipap be hold first and used at next turn?

A: My interpretation is no. You can only use the Karipap power when you play it.

4. If I have the most background colours and have more than 1 Bahulu card, how the score will be? 4 x No of Bahulu cards?

A: Yes.

5. If in 1st and 2nd rounds, the Players used all Kuih Ketayap card to copy Putu Piring or Apam Balik, therefore the Kuih Ketayap cards cannot be used in next round right? Both Kuih Ketayap and Putu Piring/Apam Balik will be kept by the Players right?

A: Yes

6. Following the above scenario and played by 6 Players, lets say all the Kuih Ketayap (3) and Putu Piring/Apam Balik (12) cards have been collected the Players in earlier round. In the next round, total playable cards will be only 51 (66-12-3) cards only with no unused card deck.

A: Yes, if that happens, deal out the cards to 8 decks as evenly as possible.

7. In similar scenario as above, how Kuih Kapit to be used if unused card deck is unavailable?

A: The Kuih Kapit becomes a useless card in this situation.

ibnu sina inamza said...

Awesome Mr Chok Sien,

Got last question.

8. In a situation where I have Kuih Ketayap card(s) copied another card (1 card only) eg Putu Piring. Then my opponent used Karipap to steal that Putu Piring card. What will happen to my Kuih Ketayap card? Useless or I can reuse it(them) on other cards?

Thanks for your clarification above!

Hiew Chok Sien 邱卓成 said...

Here is how I play:

8. In a situation where I have Kuih Ketayap card(s) copied another card (1 card only) eg Putu Piring. Then my opponent used Karipap to steal that Putu Piring card. What will happen to my Kuih Ketayap card? Useless or I can reuse it(them) on other cards?

A: The Kuih Ketayap card still remains as whatever card it copied earlier. Imagine it this way. When you plan the Kuih Ketayap card, it has already transformed into another card. So when the card it copied is stolen, it is not affected, because the transformation is already completed. That also means you cannot later decide to transform the Kuih Ketayap card into a different card.

ibnu sina inamza said...

You are the bestest Mr Chok Sien. Thanks again for the clarification!